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Sharing a few more reactions/thoughts I didn't address with Elissa in the video -

I loved the photo thing - she was talking about a popular stock photo choice of the search term "woman," a woman hiking alone on a mountain. She quoted an art director saying that the image feels like it's about power, freedom, and trusting oneself, then later she said this: "What I want is for someone to also describe a picture of a woman doing care as 'an image about power, about freedom, about trusting oneself.'" Yes!!

Loved this (p. 17): "I'd love to help more people value care and make the world a better place for caregivers, which must include giving them more dignity and support. I hope it speaks to the believers, the ones who, like me, have been stirred by their roles as caregivers but could use some help figuring it all out. And I hope it speaks to the skeptics and the haters, the people who just can't imagine that anything good could come out of care, as well as any partners and supervisors of caregivers who have the mistaken idea that time off to care for a dependent loved one is a vacation." Elissa, I was going to tell you this story but we didn't have time - once an acquaintance asked if I'd be interested in a job. I thought, oh, maybe part-time remote, something I can do alongside caring for my kids, cool thanks for thinking of me. Nope, upon further inquiry he meant full-time, on site. (And it was a job way below my qualifications as well.) It made me really upset. I'm WORKING. As a CAREGIVER. I'm not unemployed (or on vacation). Ugh!

I LOVED toward the end how she connected the loneliness crisis with the care crisis. I think that's so true. It's a societal prioritization of superficial things and a devaluing of love. Of relationship. "It's time to stop seeing caring for others as an obstacle to the good life and to start seeing it as an essential part of a meaningful one." (p. 21)

And this on interdependence toward the end - "Interdependence can feel suffocating--I know. Acknowledging how much we are needed by others, and how much we need others, goes against everything many of us have learned about the good life in the West. But eventually the gasping stops, the distance between the seemingly sublime and the seemingly mundane shrinks, and a slow-forming awareness settles in. We begin to see and feel the transformative power of care." (p. 23) This could be a description of new motherhood - it's SO MUCH at first. Our young children need us in a way that is, I think, really foreign to the way we generally think and live. But if you lean into it it's absolutely transforming - that's just the word for it. These paragraphs toward the end also reminded me of Leah Libresco Sargeant's upcoming book, The Dignity of Dependence which comes out this fall and hoooonestly might be our next book club read - can't wait for it.

I didn't get a chance to ask Elissa about this, but curious about anyone's thoughts (or yours, Elissa, if you'd like!) -  she writes on p. 14 that caring for others is "often boring and depleting." Depleting, yes. Boring, I'm not so sure.  I've found that caring for human beings is actually quite fascinating. Sure, it is boring at times, especially if you're more intellectually-oriented, as a lot of it is dealing with the most mundane realities of existence (eating, peeing/pooping, getting dressed, etc.). I wonder if we conceive of it as boring because... we've absorbed a message that it is? And maybe that because the work is invisible we don't get dopamine hits of applause for our achievements? It just kind of rubbed me the wrong way, because I think characterizing care work as boring is pretty aligned with the stereotypes of care workers as less than (they're doing care work because they're not that interesting or smart or ambitious). I think a lot of us fear "becoming boring" when we become mothers (I wrote about that and Elissa did say it too!), but I really think we need to push back on that. To me if you think I'm boring because I'm a caregiver that's a YOU problem! (Well, a culture problem really, but I just mean it's a perception problem.) I guess I was just surprised to see her plainly characterize care as boring when so much of her book illuminates the truth that care is actually interesting and complex and meaningful. Anyway, this was the only paragraph of the whole intro that I had a qualm with, for this reason and for others I won't go into right now but maybe in a future convo Elissa! :)

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Ah, Amber, I'm excited for this book and the conversations it will inspire! I'm barely online enough right now to get a full comment written, but wanted to drop a few partly-expressed ideas here (perhaps for future discussion? or a voice note exchange? since that seems to be all the messaging I'm getting around to these days).

- "Feeding this crisis is the fact that we are spending more time alone than ever before, and as a result care, whether giving or receiving, has become a less organic part of our lives." I am struck by the effort I see required to engage in acts or habits of care prior to having one's own children. If you aren't well-connected within (read: born into) a pre-existing community, whether that be a close-knit church, a well-established long-term neighborhood, or a large and interwoven family, it takes significant effort to learn how care might be provided, or who might need to receive care. If you live alone, or in a small nuclear family engaged primarily outside the home... if the home is not the hub of relational energy... if there is disconnect between generations... if recreation primarily arises through device to human instead of between human and human... how many opportunities will there REALLY be to witness where care might be provided? and to then learn how to value and emulate those who care well?

- "[...] there is a relationship between the loneliness crisis and the crisis in care, two social illnesses with the same root cause." A disease of social ligament. A disease of relationship.

- "Humans used to be surrounded by more people, family and nonfamily. They used to be more invested in community [...]" I was struck by the use of the word "invest" in context of relationship and since reading it I have been noticing it everywhere. "Invest in our children", "invest in our relationship", "invest in romantic connection". I might be unduly prone to look towards the industrial revolution as responsible for reframing our understanding of relationship, but it seems to me the emphasis on manufacturing and acquisition/production has become especially entrenched in modern relationship, especially as it applies to those relationships which necessitate caregiving. That choice word "invest" implies measurable return. What return can be measured on a caregiving relationship which will end in death? or which is deeply imbalanced in reciprocity across years? or which sustains the life of someone who will never have the capacity to provide any measurable return? I wonder what would happen if that word "invest" were replaced with "obligated to".

- "And, the biggest question of them all, why aren't men lining up around the block to get in on this very important job?" I'm interested in seeing how this thought is explored. I don't agree that men are avoiding or ignoring care work. I am inclined to believe men are experiencing a parallel devaluing of the forms of care that have generally been recognized as most meaningful and acclimated to the male psyche across centuries, and I'm also inclined to believe that the story of men not caring about care work (or not valuing it) is just that: a well-sold and oft-told story that fails to account for the reality of many men who are serving as the unseen foundation for many a human who would otherwise suffer or slip through the cracks of our social infrastructure.

There are more thoughts and more notes in my margins, but alas, no more time to write! You picked a good one, Amber.

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